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B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies

Family-friendly hotel connected to a shopping centre in Titisee-Neustadt with a full-service spa

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Sauna, hot tub, steam room, body treatments, hydrotherapy, aromatherapy
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Restaurant
View from room
Property entrance

Reviews

6.2 out of 10

Popular amenities

  • Spa
  • Parking included
  • Free Wi-Fi
  • Breakfast available
  • Bar
The current price is NZ$168
includes taxes & fees
26 Feb - 27 Feb

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Spriegelsbach 8, Titisee-Neustadt, BW, 79822
  • Place, Southern Black Forest Nature Park
    ‪1 min walk‬
  • Place, Badeparadies Schwarzwald
    ‪2 min drive‬
  • Place, Lake Titisee
    ‪4 min drive‬

Room options

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Premium bedding, individually decorated, individually furnished

Basic Single Room, 1 Single Bed

  • Mountain view
  • 9 sq m
  • 1 bedroom
  • Sleeps 1
  • 1 Single Bed

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Standard Triple Room

Standard Triple Room

  • Mountain view
  • 20 sq m
  • 1 bedroom
  • Sleeps 3
  • 1 Queen Bed and 1 Single Sofa Bed

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Basic Quadruple Room

Basic Quadruple Room

  • Mountain view
  • 20 sq m
  • 1 bedroom
  • Sleeps 4
  • 1 King Bed and 2 Single Beds OR 1 King Bed and 2 Single Sofa Beds

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Comfort Double Room

Comfort Double Room

  • Mountain view
  • 30 sq m
  • 1 bedroom
  • Sleeps 2
  • 1 King Bed

About the area

Titisee-Neustadt

B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies places you in the heart of Titisee-Neustadt, connected to a shopping centre and 1.9 km (1.2 mi) from Badeparadies Schwarzwald. Highlights at this family-friendly hotel include a full-service spa, a casino and a water park. .A day of pampering at Badeparadies Schwarzwald can include massages, body wraps and body scrubs along with aromatherapy and Ayurvedic treatments. Enjoy the 4 outdoor tennis courts and 3 indoor tennis courts. Additionally, you'll find free Wi-Fi in public areas, a coffee shop/cafe and ski storage. Each morning buffet breakfast is served between 8:00 AM and 10:00 AM. There's also free self parking, along with the convenience of an area shuttle. .Places within a 15-minute drive of this 3-property class Titisee-Neustadt hotel include Lake Titisee and Lake Schluchsee.

What's nearby

  • Southern Black Forest Nature Park - 1 min walk - 0.0 km
  • Badeparadies Schwarzwald - 2 min drive - 2.1 km
  • Lake Titisee - 4 min drive - 4.5 km
  • Feldberg Ski Resort - 12 min drive - 16.9 km
  • Triberg Waterfall - 40 min drive - 37.9 km

Getting around

  • Neustadt (Schwarzw) Station - 5 min drive
  • Basel (BSL-EuroAirport) - 90 min drive

Restaurants

  • ‪Restaurant Pferdestall - ‬4 min drive
  • ‪Restaurant Bergsee - ‬6 min drive
  • ‪Café Heck - ‬6 min drive
  • ‪Café-Restaurant Seeblick - ‬5 min drive
  • ‪Café & Brauhaus Zur Mühle - ‬6 min drive

About this property

B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies

Family-friendly hotel connected to a shopping centre in Titisee-Neustadt with a full-service spa
B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies offers its guests a full-service spa, a water park (surcharge), and outdoor tennis courts. There's a coffee shop/cafe on site. You can enjoy a drink at the swim-up bar. Public spaces have free WiFi.

A casino, spa services, and a terrace are also featured at the family-friendly B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies. You'll have access to the indoor pool and outdoor pool at a partner property. An area shuttle within 100 metres, a beach shuttle and a train station drop-off service are available for a fee. Free self parking is available.

This 3-star Titisee-Neustadt hotel is smoke free.

  • 1 building
  • 15 guestrooms or units
  • 4 levels
  • Built in 1984
  • Casino
  • Beach lounge chairs
  • Umbrellas for the beach
  • Ski lift tickets
  • Ski equipment storage
  • Charging station for electric cars
  • Breakfast available (surcharge)
  • Express check-in
  • Express check-out
  • Front desk safe
  • Tour and ticket information
  • Terrace
  • Garden
  • Outdoor picnic space
  • ATM
  • On-site shopping
  • No smoking on site
  • Coffee shop
  • Swim-up bar
B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies offers 15 accommodations with a hairdryer and free toiletries. This individually decorated and furnished accommodation includes dining tables. Beds feature premium bedding. 28-inch LED televisions come with premium satellite channels. Guests can surf the web using the complimentary wireless Internet access (speed: 25+ Mbps). Guests can make use of the in-room microwaves and coffee/tea makers. Hypo-allergenic bedding, change of towels and change of bedsheets can be requested. Housekeeping is provided once per stay.
Guests can indulge in a pampering treatment at the hotel's full-service spa, Badeparadies Schwarzwald. Services include facials, body wraps, body scrubs and body treatments. A variety of treatment therapies are provided, including aromatherapy, Ayurvedic and hydrotherapy. The spa is equipped with a sauna, a hot tub and a steam room. The spa is open daily. Guests under 16 years old are not allowed in the spa. There are 5 hot springs open between 8:00 AM and 10:00 PM.

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Property amenities

Internet

  • Available in all rooms: Free WiFi
  • In-room WiFi speed: 25+ Mbps
  • Available in some public areas: Free WiFi

Parking and transport

  • Electric car charging station on site
  • Area shuttle (surcharge) up to 100 metres
  • 24-hour train station pick-up and drop-off shuttle (surcharge)
  • Train station shuttle on request
  • Beach shuttle (surcharge)
  • Shopping centre shuttle (surcharge)
  • Ski shuttle nearby
  • Theme park shuttle (surcharge)
  • Onsite parking available only on request
  • Free uncovered self parking on site
  • Free RV/bus/lorry parking on site
  • Limited on-site self parking

Food and drink

  • Daily buffet breakfast available 8:00 AM to 10:00 AM for a fee: EUR 12.90 per person
  • A coffee shop/cafe
  • A swim-up bar

Things to do

  • 12 gaming tables
  • 12 slot machines
  • 18-hole adjacent golf course
  • 3 indoor tennis courts
  • 4 outdoor tennis courts
  • 5 hot springs
  • Archery
  • Art gallery
  • Basketball
  • Beach volleyball
  • Boat tours
  • Casino (2,153 square foot of space)
  • Cross-country skiing
  • Designer stores
  • Ecotours
  • Farming classes
  • Fishing
  • Full-service spa
  • Hiking/biking trails
  • Hunting
  • Indoor pool (guest access)
  • Mini golf
  • Optional ski privileges
  • Outdoor pool (guest access)
  • Rowing/canoeing
  • Sailing
  • Shopping centre
  • Ski passes
  • Ski storage
  • Sledding
  • Spelunking
  • Tennis lessons
  • Water park

Family friendly

  • Access to nearby indoor pool
  • Access to nearby outdoor pool
  • Dining table
  • In-room microwave
  • Mini golf
  • Soundproofed rooms
  • Water park (surcharge)

Conveniences

  • ATM
  • Safe at front desk
  • Vending machine

Guest services

  • Change of bedsheets (on request)
  • Change of towels on request
  • Housekeeping on request
  • Tour and ticket assistance

Outdoors

  • Beach loungers
  • Beach umbrellas
  • Garden
  • In a nature reserve
  • In the mountains
  • On a river
  • Picnic area
  • Terrace

Full-service spa

  • 5 hot springs
  • Aromatherapy
  • Ayurvedic treatments
  • Body scrubs
  • Body wraps
  • Facials
  • Hot springs open from 8:00 AM - 10:00 PM
  • Hot springs water temperature - 32 ºC
  • Hot tub
  • Hydrotherapy
  • Massage
  • Reflexology
  • Sauna
  • Spa open daily
  • Steam room

Accessibility

  • If you have requests for specific accessibility needs, please contact the property using the information on the reservation confirmation received after booking.
  • No lift
  • Smooth flooring in public areas
  • Smooth flooring in room
  • Tile flooring in public areas
  • Tile flooring in room
  • Well-lit path to entrance

More

  • 1 building
  • 100% renewable energy
  • 4 floors
  • At least 10% of profits reinvested in community and sustainability
  • At least 80% lighting from LEDs
  • At least 80% of food locally-sourced
  • Built in 1984
  • Comprehensive food waste policy
  • Comprehensive recycling policy
  • Double-glazed windows
  • Eco-friendly cleaning products used
  • Local artist showcase
  • Local culture and ecosystem education
  • Locally-owned and organised tours and activities
  • Smoke-free property
  • Traditional architecture
  • Vegetarian breakfast available
  • Vegetarian dining options

Room amenities

Bedroom

  • Hypo-allergenic bedding
  • Premium bedding

Bathroom

  • Free toiletries
  • Hair dryer
  • Private bathroom
  • Towels provided

Entertainment

  • 28-inch LED TV with premium satellite channels

Food and drink

  • Coffee/tea maker
  • Dining table
  • Electric kettle
  • Ice maker
  • Microwave

More

  • Bulk dispensers for toiletries
  • Composting
  • Eco-friendly toiletries
  • Heating
  • Individual decor
  • Individual furnishings
  • Laptop workspace
  • LED lighting
  • Recycling
  • Soundproofed rooms
  • Water-efficient showers
  • Water-efficient toilets

Policies

Check-in

Check-in start time: 4:00 PM; check-in end time: 11:30 PM
Early check-in subject to availability
Early check-in fee: EUR 35
Contactless check-in and check-out are available
Express check-in available
Minimum check-in age - 18

Check-out

Check-out before 11:00 AM
Contactless check-out
Late check-out subject to availability
Late check-out fee: EUR 40
Express check-out available

Special check-in instructions

This property offers transfers from the train station (surcharges may apply); guests must contact the property with arrival details before travel, using the contact information on the booking confirmation
The front desk is open Monday - Sunday (8:00 AM - 10:00 AM)
Guests planning to arrive outside of normal check-in hours will receive an email with check-in instructions and lockbox information; front desk staff will greet guests on arrival at the property
If you are planning to arrive after 10:00 AM please contact the property in advance using the information on the booking confirmation
Information provided by the property may be translated using automated translation tools
Check-in hours on Sunday are 6-9 PM.

Access methods

Staffed front desk, lockbox

Pets

  • No pets allowed, but service animals are welcome

Children and extra beds

  • Children are welcome.
  • Rollaway/extra beds are not available.
  • Cots (infant beds) are not available.

Payment types

Important information

Fees

Guests will be asked to pay the following charges at the property:

  • A tax is imposed by the city: EUR 3.50 per person, per night for adults; EUR 1.60 per night for guests aged 6-15 years old. This tax does not apply to children under 6 years of age.

We've listed all charges provided to us by the property.

Optional extras

The fees and deposits listed below will be charged at the time of service, check-in, or check-out.

  • Fee for buffet breakfast: from approximately EUR 12.90 per person
  • Early check-in fee: EUR 35 (subject to availability)
  • Late check-out fee: EUR 40 (subject to availability)

This may not be a comprehensive list. Fees and deposits are subject to change and might not include tax.

You need to know

Extra-person charges may apply and vary depending on property policy
Government-issued photo identification and a credit card, debit card or cash deposit may be required at check-in for incidental charges
Special requests are subject to availability upon check-in and may incur additional charges; special requests cannot be guaranteed
Guests must contact this property in advance to reserve on-site parking
This property accepts credit cards, debit cards, mobile payments and cash
Mobile payment options include: PayPal
Cashless transactions are available
Long-term renters welcome
This property uses eco-friendly cleaning products
Noise-free guestrooms cannot be guaranteed
Safety features at this property include a carbon monoxide detector, a fire extinguisher, a smoke detector, a security system and a first aid kit
Please note that cultural norms and guest policies may differ by country and by property; the policies listed are provided by the property
Charges for extra guests may apply and vary according to property policy.
A cash deposit, credit card or debit card for incidental charges and government-issued photo identification may be required upon check-in.
Special requests are subject to availability at the time of check-in. Special requests can't be guaranteed and may incur additional charges.
    This property is managed by a professional host. The provision of housing is linked to their trade, business or profession. Guests must contact this property in advance to reserve on-site parking. This property accepts Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Diners Club, JCB International, Eurocard, debit cards, cash, mobile payments and PayPal. This property uses eco-friendly cleaning products. Long-term renters welcome. Noise-free guestrooms cannot be guaranteed. For guests' safety, the property includes a carbon monoxide detector, a fire extinguisher, a smoke detector, a security system and a first aid kit in all accommodation. Cashless payment methods are available for all transactions.

We should mention

  • Hot springs access available from 8:00 AM to 10:00 PM.
  • Reservations are needed for massage services and spa treatments. For reservations, contact the hotel before arrival using the contact information on the booking confirmation.
  • Registered guests are the only ones allowed to be in guestrooms.
  • Certain facilities might have restricted access. For details, you can contact the property at the number on the booking confirmation.

Property is also known as

Hotel Sonnenmatte
Hotel Sonnenmatte nahe Badeparadies
Hotel Sonnenmatte nahe Badeparadies Titisee-Neustadt
Sonnenmatte
Sonnenmatte nahe Badeparadies
Sonnenmatte nahe Badeparadies Titisee-Neustadt
B B Sonnenmatte Badeparadies
Hotel Sonnenmatte nahe Badeparadies
B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies Hotel
B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies Titisee-Neustadt
B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies Hotel Titisee-Neustadt

Frequently asked questions

What is the cancellation policy at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies?

B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies offers free cancellation on select room rates. Check out the cancellation policy for more info.

How much does it cost to stay at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies?

As of 15 Feb 2026, prices found for a 1-night stay for 2 adults at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies on 26 Feb 2026 start from NZ$154.61, including taxes and fees. This price is based on the lowest nightly price found in the last 24 hours for stays in the next 30 days. Prices are subject to change. Choose your dates for more accurate prices.

Is parking available at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies?

Yep, B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies has a free self car park and free RV/bus/truck parking.

Are there any beaches close to B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies?

The closest beach to B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies is Strand Amalienruhe (11.6 km).

Is there a spa on site at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies?

Yep, Badeparadies Schwarzwald is available for guests. It has a hot tub, a steam room and a sauna. You'll enjoy heaps of services like body wraps, body scrubs and facials.

What makes B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies a romantic place to stay?

A hot tub, plus premium bedding in the guestrooms, help set the scene for a romantic weekend at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies.

Is B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies family-friendly?

You bet! With amenities such as a water park, on-site mini golf and a picnic area, it's no surprise that B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies is a hit with families.

Does B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies serve breakfast?

Sure does, buffet brekkie is available daily between 8:00 AM and 10:00 AM.

Is there a free airport shuttle available at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies?

No, B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies does not offer an airport shuttle service.

What time are check-in & check-out at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies?

Check-in begins at 4:00 PM. Check-out time is 11:00 AM.

Are pets allowed at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies?

No, only service animals are allowed.

Is there a golf course on site at B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies?

There is a golf course next to B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies.

B+B Hotel Sonnenmatte Near Badeparadies Reviews

Reviews

6.2
Rating 10 - Excellent. 47 out of 391 reviews
Rating 8 - Good. 118 out of 391 reviews
Rating 6 - Okay. 110 out of 391 reviews
Rating 4 - Poor. 54 out of 391 reviews
Rating 2 - Terrible. 62 out of 391 reviews

6.6/10

Cleanliness

6.4/10

Staff & service

6.6/10

Amenities

5.6/10

Property conditions & facilities

Reviews

8/10 Good

Verified traveller

Travelled with family
Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Good for the price

It's a nice hotel with good sized rooms. We were pleasantly surprised to see a small refrigerator and microwave in the rooms, with table, chairs, sofa at no extra cost. The couple who manages this hotel are very friendly as well. It will be nice if they provide the proper tea cups in the rooms, instead of the plastic ones. But overall we were happy with the experience.
Stayed 3 nights in Jul 2025

10/10 Excellent

David

Travelled with family
Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service
The front desk lady that checked us in was very nice. Limited parking out front, but it’s free and we got a spot. Rooms are nice, though a little dated. Slow internet, but you’re in the heart of the Black Forrest so it is what it is. Overall great location and friendly staff. I would absolutely recommend staying here. Easy short drive to the buses for the Christmas market too!
Stayed 1 night in Nov 2024

8/10 Good

Catherine

Travelled with partner
Liked: Amenities
It was perfect for our need of having somewhere to sleep for the night. It could use some care but it was clean enough.
Stayed 1 night in May 2024

8/10 Good

Verified traveller

Liked: Cleanliness
Disliked: Property conditions & facilities
Stayed 1 night in Apr 2024

10/10 Excellent

Andrew

Travelled with family
Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort
A lovely setting in a traditional Black Forest house.
Stayed 1 night in Aug 2023

8/10 Good

Peter

Travelled with family
Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, room comfort

Clean and spacious room

We stayed in a very spacious family room, which was very clean. The staff on both arrival and departure was very nice and helpful and the inexpensive breakfast was plentiful. It seems like little money has been invested in the hotel over the last 30 years, but as mentioned before, which was also reflected in the price for our stay. The main think for us was that the place was clean and the staff nice - and that was definitely the case.
Stayed 1 night in Jul 2020

10/10 Excellent

Verified traveller

Travelled with family
Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Close to a lot!

We’ve stayed here twice, close to many local attractions and inexpensive.
Stayed 2 nights in Feb 2020

2/10 Terrible

Verified traveller

Travelled with partner
Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities
I diliked so much. Worst Hotel my wife and i have ever stayed at in 6 years.
Stayed 1 night in Oct 2019

10/10 Excellent

CHIEW SIM

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Overall is good

Overall is good to me, but no wifi access in room
Stayed 2 nights in Oct 2019

8/10 Good

David

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, room comfort

Quaint and friendly

This simple old fashioned place might be overlooked by some folk but we thought it was the best night, so far, in a fort night of travelling.
Stayed 1 night in Jun 2019

6/10 Okay

Verified traveller

Disliked: Staff & service, property conditions & facilities
Stayed 1 night in Dec 2018

6/10 Okay

Moath

Disliked: Cleanliness, room comfort

Below average

It was below average!
Stayed 1 night in Oct 2018

10/10 Excellent

wayne

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Good Value

The hotel was about two miles out of town and hard to communicate with until around 5pm as the desk is not manned all the time; additionally, there was no facility for making tea in the rooms. The breakfast, however, was plentiful, the rooms clean and comfortable and the receptionist went out of her way to give us a lift into town!
Stayed 1 night in Oct 2018

4/10 Poor

Ralph

Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities

Cheap but not cheerfull

I have stayed in scores of hotels in my life and this one is possibly the worst. Reception was open only from 5pm until 8pm, which was okay for me but I felt sorry for the family who arrived at 8.30. Unfortunately, the reception area was also the bar, and the landlady asked me quite sternly to leave as soon as I bought my second beer at 8.00. I have never felt so unwelcome in a hotel. There is wifi, but I couldn't get any signal in my room so I ended up sitting next to the vending machine in the lounge area to get signal. The building looks pretty from a distance, but is actually in quite a dilapidated condition. My room wasn't too bad but the corridor smelt strongly of mould. When I tried to have a shower, the water pressure shot the shower head off the pipe, so I had to improvise a shower with a horizontal jet of water. To make the experience even worse, I had to dry myself down with just a pair of small hand towels. Not good enough!
Stayed 1 night in Sep 2018

6/10 Okay

Lawrence

Liked: Room comfort
Disliked: Staff & service

Nice enough for the price but not very friendly

The initial response to the staff was very poor. The room was ready but I was forced to sit and wait for 25 minutes until 5 p.m. until I was allowed to check in. I was traveling with friends who were also unhappy with the attitude and unhelpful behavior of the staff and general conditions in their room. The television didn't work and neither did the heat in either room despite the cold rainy weather. Having said that, my room was large and roomy with a nice clean bathroom and a balcony with a nice view. The breakfast was reasonably priced and had a good variety. The hotel is a short drive to the lake and town of Titisee.

2/10 Terrible

Dan, Sydney

Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities

Black Forest cheapy

I guess you get what you pay for. Nothing special about this place.
Stayed 1 night in Sep 2017

8/10 Good

Carlos

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service

Nice haunted hotel in the middle of nowhere

It was our stay in the way home from Switzerland. Pro: price! After hours check-in was easy. I didn't have breakfast, but it was offered at a low price. Beautiful countryside view from out room, quiet, parking, pool Cons: could use an upgrade in the room. Better pillows. Besides being 99% sure it was probably haunted, not bad overall.
Stayed 1 night in Jun 2017

8/10 Good

John, Lancaster UK

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, room comfort

A nice find

An overnight stay on our way through the Black Forest to a camping holiday in Switzerland. We wanted an easy place to spend the night and this was a great place for that. Very friendly and efficient attention. Good access for our dog. Good plentiful breakfast with excellent coffee. Lovely local walks. Free parking. Simple but adequate room with lovely view. Other rooms have balconies! Would make a good base for visiting the area.

8/10 Good

Verified traveller

Liked: Staff & service
as good a stay as always

8/10 Good

Karol

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

6/10 Okay

Verified traveller

Disliked: Room comfort

2/10 Terrible

Verified traveller

Disliked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Not a good place to stay

Room not very clean, no warm water and breakfast very poor

8/10 Good

Diane, Australia

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Location OK

Hotel was ok a number of kms out of Titisee but bus service nearby was very good so this was no problem. Enjoyed our breakfast , views were very nice of the surrounding countryside. Enjoyed our stay.

4/10 Poor

Lui, Hk

Disliked: Staff & service, property conditions & facilities, room comfort

Just a room for shelter

Some furniture and fixtures should be renewed. Wifi should not be disconnected in midnight.

8/10 Good

Kathy, Taiwan

Liked: Cleanliness, staff & service, room comfort

A good place to stay if you have a car…

This is a good experiece to stay here. The room is clean and hosts are kind(include the lovely 2-year-old baby girl). But it located a bit far from train station also Titisee. There's also something I don't really pleased… which is I can only use WIFI in the lobby(restaurant) instead of in my room… but it seems I'm the exception for some reason…